Prove to me that Government Run Health Care Will Work

8 Aug

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6 Responses to “Prove to me that Government Run Health Care Will Work”

  1. Kyle August 10, 2009 at 11:57 am #

    One word- Medicare.

    And if you think it is a failure just try convince someone to shut it down. It has lower administrative costs than private health care insurance and the people who have medicare are happier with their coverage than people on private insurance. Example #2 the VA and military health care system.

  2. Michael August 10, 2009 at 9:15 pm #

    Would this be the Medicare and Medicaid that is so efficient that Obama has proposed cutting by $313 billion over the next ten years precisely because those “lower administrative costs” you cite have been overpaid? Or the VA that the Obama administration considered having veterans pay for service-related injuries through private insurance until they were forced to backtrack on that disgraceful idea? Funny how the VA that gave such substandard care to our wounded during the Bush Administration is now held up as your shining example of efficiency.

    See your problem is Kyle that in your fairy tale world you think Uncle Sam is going to give you all the lollipops and gumdrops that you want. But you never stop to think that somebody, somewhere has to pay for the sugar.

    Outside of the fact that we just can’t afford this, and you’ve still never told me how much government you think is too much, the reality is that no one really knows what is in this bill. Groups like The Heritage Foundation have analyzed it and issued reports of the horrors contained within.

    But the President, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the vast majority of Congress can’t tell you what’s in the bill because they haven’t read it. Enacting legislation of this magnitude without understanding what it really says is simply insane.

  3. Kyle August 11, 2009 at 10:30 am #

    Micheal, I acknowledge that we are going to have to pay for health care reform, but it is a bit incredulous to say that the richest nation in the history of the world cannot afford to provide proper health care for its citizens when every other industrialized nation has found the money to do just that.

    We pay more per person on health care than any other country and yet we have millions without access to health care and we are well behind all of those countries in all meaningful statistics related to the quality of health care. Health care in Europe and Canada works. Yes, it has some problems but theirs is a speck while we are suffering with a plank.

    The status quo is a disaster, only in American can you lose your house when you have cancer. Only in American do you have to chose between your prescriptions and food on the table.

  4. Michael August 11, 2009 at 7:13 pm #

    Kyle, we became the richest nation in the world by letting the free market work. Not by sending all our money to Washington. And we’ve discussed before that the number of uninsured Americans is far below the number being claimed.

    No one is saying that health care doesn’t need to be reformed. No one is saying it isn’t expensive.

    As much as you like to believe otherwise, there are millions in Europe and Canada who would testify that their health care system does NOT work. Or, their survivors would tell that.

    A bill that’s 1100 pages long that hasn’t been read by anyone voting on it, and by few advocating it is simply the wrong choice. And the only reason that the White House and Nancy Pelosi & Co. want to rush this is exactly because they’re afraid Americans WILL find out what it is in it.

    If this is worth doing, why isn’t it worth taking the time to do it right?

  5. Kyle August 12, 2009 at 12:35 pm #

    If health care in Europe and Canada is so bad, why do they have lower costs and statistically better care (longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality etc.)? Why aren’t these millions of people rising up to demand a better system?

    Steven Hawking thinks the NHS in England is good enough for him.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205953/NHS-branded-evil-Orwellian-high-level-US-politicians.html

    Check out the comments of the article to find some of those “millions of people” who are against the NHS.

  6. Michael August 12, 2009 at 7:00 pm #

    Since when did the European model become the American ideal? Seems to me we fought a war or two for that very reason.

    Kyle, I know you love to read the propaganda. But we’ve been over this. I can show you examples of people, patients, doctors, Members of Parliament who will tell you that European socialized medicine is horrible. There are people waiting in lines to see doctors, people being turned away, people dying because they can’t get the treatment they need.

    And once again, at what cost?

    Buy beyond that EVEN IF I were to agree with your absurd notion that nationalized health care is what is needed…

    WHAT. IS. THE. RUSH????

    Why can’t we take the time to read the bill? Why can’t we take the time to do it right?

    I know the answer.

    Do you?

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